NEWSLETTER CONTEST Help us to name our newsletter and win a free year's full page ad ! To submit your entry , send a private e-mail to blkfoot@hcil.net. Lable the message topic as Newsletter Name. All entries must be in before October 30th, 2000. Come on and think, think, think! What do we want our organization to represent? Future progress? Just the Sable Issue? What would you like to see the newsletter reflect towards your organzation? No time to waste now....only 30 days left !!   From Our Friends in New Zealand   Dear Anita, Colin Thrupp is the owner of Wairere Farm and I'm Carolyn Powell. Mike Lever from Gladstone Chevre passed on your email to us. We have visited your web site and were going to write to you (at some stage - its spring here and busy!) I'm not computer literate enough to send you photos as attachments but if you would like to send us your postal address we can send them airmail to you immediately. The New Zealand Sable Club was formed in 1994. Previoulsly Sables were under the jurisdiction of the Saanen club for a five year period. During that time all Sables were registered on Experimental Record to establish wether or not there would be a throw-back factor. to date, no white animals have been known to have been born from a Sable to Sable mating. the gene is very strong. There are three routes by which a Sable may be registered on our NZ Association's Sable register: 1. Male or female progeny whose dam and sire are both registered in the Herd Register (purebred) Sable section are eligible. 2. Offspring of two Experimental Record Sable goats comforming to the Sable breed standard. 3. The offspring of two Herd Register saanens comforming in all respects to the Sable breed standard may be entered in the experimental record. The Sable Club felt from the outset that it was very important that the uniqueness and genetic history of the Sable did not disappear - hence only Sable offspring from purebred Saanen does are accepted to the experimental Record and then to full Sable status. Otherwise this breed would have become a 'dumping ground' for every crossbred and mismarked goat born in the country! At our own farm Sables have been born for over 20 years and approximately 30 will be milked over two herds in this season (July 2000-May 2001). We breed all five of New Zealand's recognised dairy goat breeds - Saanen, Sable, Toggenburg, Nubian, and British Alpine - beginning with Saanens in 1971 and at present milk around 400 does. We are part of an 82-farm co-operative with about 24000 does; all milk is made in to milk powder and most sold as formulated product overseas. Sables of recent note include: Kidogo Penny - born 1988 and still milking. The first Sable to become a Breed Champion. Her son, Kidogo Prince - the first Sable buck to receive the Thebridge Award (awarded for milk and classification of female offspring). Passed away in June this year aged 10. His daughter, Wairere Tekaa - 1470 litres, 102 kg milk solids in 314 days as a three year old. Supreme Champion at the North Island Sable Show 1999 and 2000. Her daughter, Elbas Tekaha - 913 litres, 60 kg milksolids in 233 days as a two year old in 1999-2000 season. Tekaa's oldest daughter Wairere Kia, sold at 2 weeks old as a kid attended 11 shows for 9 firsts, a second and a third and one Champion Junior Doe. A vehicle accident left her with three legs but her 1999 born daughter has just been awarded national Herd Register Doe Kid of the Year. Wairere is our farm name and oringinally was the prefix for all the breeds. As things have got more involved Wairere has stayed as the Saanen prefix and the other breeds have been given new ones - hence Elbas for the Sables. Hope this is of help to you. As I say if you would like to send us your postal address we can get a bit more information off to you - on the Sables, the farm, breeding, showing, classification, etc. Colin is also a judge and classifier for the New Zealand Dairy Goat Breeders Association andvisited your country in about 1988 visiting many dairy goat farms and attending shows One of our Saanen bucks Wairere Kiwi was exported to Harvey Considine in the mid-80s.   I keep scrubbing and scrubbing, but those darn spots are still there!

ADGA REGISTRATION CHAIR Information Provided By Jennifer Smith, Chair ADGA Registration Committee ( Jennifer promised to pass on any information that she has found out in looking at the Sable issue in other areas. This is what she sent to me) From: Hilary Matthews [mailto:toddbrook.goats@talk21.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 8:33 AM To: capriherb@dialupnet.com Cc: sue knowles Subject: Coloured Saanens To: Jennifer Smith Morning, Sue Knowles of the British Goat Society asked that I reply to your query regarding "coloured" Saanen and British Saanen kids. I am Overseas Representative for the BGS and also a committee member so sit on various committees dealing with rule and regulation changes. I also breed British Saanens and currently have a pure Saanen buck here at stud. Yes we do have a problem in the UK. It can be dealt with in a number of ways: a) you can register the kid as BS or S depending which it is and not show it at all or suffer the consequences of showing a mismarked kid in its relevant breed class. If you choose to register it as S or BS you can mate it and hopefully get white kids the next time and continue with them as BS or S. Unfortunately, for future generations, our herdbook does not have the capacity to list the goat as mismarked. b) you can down-grade the goat to our Supplementary Register which only lists the male goat as sire and does not list the goat's mother when the kid is registered, so you lose the female side of the pedigree. You are only able to register a female kid but this kid could then be shown in the grade classes. To grade back up to British Saanen then takes a number of generations depending on milking qualifications gained by the goat but at the very least will take 3 generations. You would never be able to grade up to the Saanen register as this is a closed herd book. The siblings from the coloured kid could be registered as S or BS if you chose. If you wanted to down-grade the entire litter then you could go right back to the bottom of our grade ladder to the Identification Register but again you could not register male kids but this register has the advantage that it would show both sire and dam. The advantages of down grading are that you can show the goat in the grade classes and you could make her up to a Champion if she was good enough. As a responsible breeder you therefore keep the colour away from the breed and grade up trying to avoid introducing any more colour. c) You cull it, as I did this year with a daughter from 2 champions (single female kid from half brother/half sister mating). This summer a number of breeders have tossed the idea about of being able to register both the sire and dam in the Supplementary Register so as not to lose the female family from the pedigree (my kid's dam, grand-dam and great grand-dam were all full Champions) and we may look to put a regulation change before the full committee for consultation over the next few months. I am very sure that we would not consider at all changing the breed standards so that we could accept coloured Saanens or British Saanens in their relevant breed sections so that they could be shown. I hope this helps - it is a very difficult subject and I know many breeders in the UK do go through alot of heartsearching when a coloured or mis-marked kid arrives. We are going to the southern states on holiday for a fortnight on the 5th October and flying into Atlanta and heading through the bottom end of Tennessee, down into Alabama then on into Mississippi and then back into Georgia - do you have any goat contacts in that area that we could visit please?? My husband and I are both very keen goat keepers and he is a veterinarian specialising in goats. I look forward to hearing from you - we will be most interested in the UK to see what you decide to do with the coloured Saanens Best wishes Hilary Matthews ( I have e-mailed Mrs. Matthews to ask for any imformation she can provide and names of breeders we may contact that have Sables being born. I have also suggested that they might consider the same solution that we are working for, a seperate registry or herdbook which will allow these animals to be utilized!)     ADVERTISE   ADVERTISE   ADVERTISE   ADVERTISE   ADVERTISE   ADVERTISE   ADVERTISE

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