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Documented Colored Saanens in the AMGRA [ First 10 Volumes ] by Gwen Goodey |
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Goats that are referenced at least twice as grandparents (unless I recognized the sire or dam from previous entries) in the 10 volumes I scanned are listed here as color carriers; this is a hasty report; parents of colored kids are listed. I have not had enough time to research carefully. More animals could be included, but I did not want to do genealogy as much as to find the ones that definitely did produce color. - Gwen COLOR CARRIERS “1914" - VOLUME ONE #'s 1-900 [No colors were given, no differentiation between white and colored Saanens, perhaps because it was not important ] These Saanens produced color in succeeding volumes of the AMGRA:
“1918" - VOLUME TW0 #'s 901-2000 [ This volume does name color. ] 1367 Polydamas; 1915, Sire King Wm. Tell 457; Dam Swiss Echo 390 1368 Silvanus; 1916, Sire Polydamas 1367; Dam Princess Echo 943 1371 Lord Lee; 1915, Sire Andreas Hofer 177; Dam Alta Snowball 1026 1463 Romains Lad; 1915 [Cream], Sire Swiss Bernese 583; Dam Romaine 582 1563 Hofer-son; 1916, Sire Andreas Hofer 177; Dam Albavale 838 1570 Daisy of Cary; 1916, Sire Erlenbeck II 871; Dam Ruck de Schell 293 1634 Jupiter; 1917, Sire Alta Franz 807; Dam Queen Lou 616 1711 San Andreas;1917, Sire Hofer-son 1563; Dam Ethel Vail 568 1740 Sir Echo;1917, Sire Alta Franz 807; Dam Princess Echo 943 1745 Inez Prince Hofer; 1917, Sire Andreas Hofer177; Dam Alta Joybel 809 1743 Inez Lilly Hofer; 1917, Sire Andreas Hofer 177; Dam Victors Bell 414 1776 Bralef Marionette; 1917, Sire King Franz 915; Dam Sweet Brier 919 1778 Bralef King Franz; 1917, Sire King Franz 915; Dam Crystal May 420 “1919" - VOLUME THREE #'s 2001-3000 2451 Colonel Hofer; 1918, SireLord Lee 1371; Dam Lucia 562 2790 Alta Arlington; 1918, Sire Enfield Leapold 2159; Dam Mingo Pocahontas 2036 2887 Saanen Chief of Three Oaks; 1918, Sire Excesior 597; Dam Sharwal Hulda 1726 2889 Zep Hofer of Three Oaks; 1918, Sire Excelsior 597; Dam Sharwal Hulda 1726 2941 Supreme Donald; 1918, Sire Excelsior 597; Dam Victor's Blossom 914 “1919" - VOLUME FOUR #'s 3001-4000 3190 Le Bon Tell; 1918, Sire Dalibor 1734; Dam Betty Heidi1784 3204 Bralef Brutus; 1918, Sire Inex Prince Hofer 1745; Dam Bralef Marionette 1776 3530 Sir Benedict; 1919, Sire Victor the Great 1349; Dam Highland Alberta 1422 3967 Handy Andy; 1917, Sire Andreas Hofer 177; Dam Victors Belle 414 3888 Cabanne Champion; 1919, Sire King Wm. Tell 457; Dam Vistor's Blossom 914 3982 Supreme Success; 1919, Sire Alta Arlington 2790; Dam Inez Lily Hofer 1753 3989 Supreme Honor; 1919, Sire Inex Geierstein Hofer 1743; Dam Alta Joybell 809 “1919" - VOLUME FIVE #'s 4001-5000 4074 Janus; 1919, Sire Alta Franz 807; Dam Inez Kapreenah Hofer 1742 4834 Bralef Harley; 1919, Sire King Franz 915; Dam Bralef Heidi 883 4951 Supreme Sir Confidence; 1919, Sire Supreme Lieut. Juare 2483; Dam Supreme Confidence 2480 SABLES “1918" - VOLUME TW0 #'s 901-2000 [ This volume does include color.] 976 Beauty Belle; 1912; Black & White; Sire Saanen Chief 2nd 312; Dam LaBlanche 314 977 La Petite; 1913; Black & White; Sire Bob Saanen 953; Dam Beauty Belle 976 1954 Andreas Vail; 1916; Brown & White; Sire Andreas Hofer 177; Dam Ethel Vail 568 1569 Millie of Cary; 1915; White & Grey; Sire Erlenbeck II 871; Dam Ruck de Schell 293 “1919" - VOLUME FOUR #'s 3001-4000 3561 Nega; 1919;White with narrow black stripe down the back, Black stripes down the face where Toggs have White, Black right fore foot & Black hind feet, Black heart under tail, Black ears; Sire Romains Lad 1463; Dam Suzette 437 3562 King Nega; 1919; White with blue blanket over shoulders and neck blue interspersed with white hair, face has blue background with White marks of a Togg, white ears; Sire Romains Lad 1463; Dam Suzette 437 3741 Queen Lou's Mars; 1919; Brown & White; Sire Andreas Hofer 177; Dam Queen Lou 616 “1919" - VOLUME SIX #'s 5001-6000 5107 Janette of Cary;1919; Gray & White; Sire Primator 2396; Dam Daisy of Cary 1570 (3/4 Saanen, ¼ Schw.-Gug.) 5350 Melinda; 1914; Black & White spots; Sire Highland Chief 518; Dam Victorine 367 “1919" - VOLUME SIX #'s 5001-6000 5761 Arlington Dominion; 1919, Sire Alta Dominion 2788; Dam Highland Dolly 1513 “1920" - VOLUME SEVEN #'s 6001-7000 6086 Handsome Hofer; 1919, Sire Inez Franz Hofer 1746; Dam Mona Lise Hayes 3463 6857 Saan Southern King; 1920, Sire Colonel Wm. Tell 2489; Dam Victors Blossom 914 “1920" - VOLUME EIGHT #'s 7001-8000 7016 Uno; 1920, Sire King Nega 3562; Dam Suzette 437 7103 Le Bon Joyous; 1920, Sire Supreme Honor 3989; Dam Betty Heidi1784 Email by Chris Strickland, Director D7, after visiting ADGA Home Office this past year. < SNIP> Most importantly, we were able to verify with a great deal of certainty that the historical registry documents that have never been entered into the computer are complete. There is one old volume that begins with some of the Strucker importation of Saanens. It was interesting to note that animals could be entered into the registry according to rule "2" which appeared to be an owner statement that the animal milked 2 quarts per day. Another interesting aspect was a gentleman who said to start all his animal names with the same name (the original herdname concept?) since animals in the registry were coming up with duplicate names and the owners were being asked to put an initial or something at the beginning or end. I think that is why there were so many animals that were Chieftain I, Chieftain II, Chieftain III etc. I also noticed Saanens of color entered as purebred and apparently this continued well into the 1930's. It led Shari and I to ask Dan when it was that only white Saanens were accepted into the registry. He was going to try and research that and hopefully with our new organization of the minutes, he will be able to find that information <end of snip> Some of the early colored Saanens found in ADGA historical records |
STUCKER SAANENS Some of the early colored Saanens found in ADGA historical records SSS: Saanen Chief #135 / white, hornless / imported by Peer for Riddle / dob10-05/ pure Saanen SS: Saanen Chief II #312/ dob. 3/1/09 white, hornless SSD: Victory #366 / import, white,/ dob.5/28/06 / dam & sire unknown Sire: Saanen Chief III #363/ dob: 3/9/11 SD: Lizzie May #313/ hornless, import /pure Saanen Damfino #427/thorobred Saanen/dob: 3/19/12/black, horned DSS: Prince (import) DS: Afton William Tell #269/dob. 2/07 white, hornless DSD: Sizi (import) Dam: Victorine #367 Dam's Dam: Victory #366/ import, white/dob. 5/28/06 dam & sire unknown
#319 Bonny Boy - white #419 Silver May -- white & black spots SS: Prince Sire: Afton’s William Tell #269/ white, hornless SD: Sizi Gazelle #274/ white with brown marks on legs, head & back/ hornless Laddie #273/white hornless/ DS: Chief #135/ Dam: Phillipine #265/ dob. 1907/ white/ DD: Maidie #139/ import b. spring 1905/ Unknown sire & dam All imported by Stucker in 1905: Maidie, Saanen Chief #135, Marina #136, Nanette #137, Wtana # 138
Sacramento Queen #62535 -- b.3/4/40 Gray Sire: Sacramento Aare Boy 49035 Dam: Franz Beauty 45601
Sire: Leona's Chieftain 59121 Dam: Chieftain's Blossom of Rio Linda 47659 Bralef Peter 884 buck hornless, not pure white, some black hair, born 2/19/14. Sire: Mont Blanc #433 Dam: Crystal May #420 Anita #603 hornless, black & white, born 3/9/1913 Sire: Victor II #425 Dam: Victoria #467 Silver May #419 Saanen, white & black spots, b. 2/9/11 sire: Saanen Chief II #312 dam: Lizzie May #313 Victor 224. Much of it is about the dam, Bella 389, who was imported by Fred Stucker of Liberty, NY and was " . . . a very outstanding doe whose progeny was destined to have far reaching results among the Saanens bred in thiscoutry," and " . . . a fine large doe of excellent dairy type, pure white and naturally hornless, -- a 16 lb doe." Only seven of her descendants were recorded by AMGRA, six bucks and one doe (the only one she ever had, Swiss Echo 390. The author says, "Of one of Bella's bucks, Excelsior, I have already written, and now we will see what can be said of Victor 224, who was two years older than Excelsior and who was a full brother to Swiss Echo 390." He goes on to quote a Mr. Will H. Miller, "Comins [his owner] told me that Victor's sire, Great Caesar, was the largest buck ever imported, measuring 39 inches at the shoulders and had VIOLENT horns." The author says that "IN searching through the available sources of information including the first sixteen volumes of the AMGRA records, we find eighty-seven of the progeny of Victor recorded, of these sixty-four were does, twenty-three bucks. In Vol I many of the goats recorded therein it is not stated if they had, or had not horns, and neither is the color given. So we find eighteen of Victor's offspring whose color is not given, but from other sources we are led to believe that these eighteen, or practically all of them at least, were pure white. Sixty-six are given as pure white and three were off-color.
1. 43242 Rochester's Best / white w a few dark hairs on spine. S: Jimmy Best #43237 D: Alice's Beauty Best #35305 2. 46040 Sweetheart of West Lawn / grey and white S: Joker of West lawn #37478 D: Polly of West Lawn #36682 Color carrier: Ace High of West Lawn 43821 3. 46043 Nigar of West Lawn / black & white S: Joker of West Lawn D: Tootsie of W.L. 39452 black and grey littermate sister Topsy, also black & grey 4. 46778 Azucar/ light grey, white legs S: 40783 Shannon of Echo Herd (white SS: Panama Viking of Echo Herd (white) D: 42446 Miller's Nita DS: Shannon of Echo Herd DD: Miller's Dorothy (white) 40760 Dorothy's Sire: Supreme Franz Switzerland 14660 Dorothy's Dam: Miller's Hulda's Blossom 35598 6. 38387 La Suise Feathers b. 4/3/30 white, grey line on back S: 27121 D: 3882 7. 44199 Susie of W.L. 3/30/33 black & white S: Joker D: Molly of W.L. 42419 8. 44202 Bonnie of W.L. Black & white b. 5/14/33 S: Joker D: Topsy of W. L. 39453 (above) 9. 42391 Unger's Madam Queen b. 2/21/32 Roan S: Walnut Springs Monarch 41219 (white) D: Amica Walnut Springs Selma 37512 10. 42417 Daphne of W.L. b.3/17/32 black, grey, white Sire: Joker Dam: Polly of W.L. 36682 11. 42709 Fresno Hazel b. 4/16/29 brown, black markings Sire: Supreme Fresno Switzerland 23377 Dam: Fresno Bella Hofer I 27993
The ones listed as pure Saanen . . . . and there is surely color there! 1. 41611 Keene's Patience b.3/2/32 black & white/ Sire: Homestead Prince Chad 39878 white/ SS: Blossom's Dairy King 39317 white/ SD: Prolific Patricia 34963/ Dam: Prolific Patricia 34963 2. 41820 Guthrie Prince b 4/3/32 dark/ SS: Blossom's Dairy King/ Dam: Oakland Blossom 40428 white/ DS: Blossom's Dairy King/ DD: Blossom's Marie 41427 white/ DDS: Rio Linda Royal Lad 35940/ DDD: Rio Linda Mavis Marie 35403 3. 41821 Tennessee Louise b.3/15/32/ Sire: Blossom's Dairy King white/ Dam: Oakland Blossom Marie 40429 white/ DS: Blossom's Dairy King white /DD: Blossom's Marie 40427 white 4.40697 Little Treasure Best b. 4/22/31 white w/a little black beneath eyes and along spine/ Sire: Blue Mountain High Standard 33042/ Dam: Hackler's Judith 33599 5.39007 Prospect of Roseland b 4/27/30 grey / Sire: 36691/ Dam: 36456 6.39847 Oakdene's Moonlight b. 3/24/31 white 7. 39848 Oakdene's Starlight b. 3/24/31 black & white / Sire: Oakdene's Royal 39319 white / Dam: Oakdene Pandora 24625 8. 39849 Oakdene Twilight b. 7/1/30 black & white/ Sire: Three Oak's Blossom's Lad 27447 / Dam: Rio Linda Pearl 38426 white 9. 39932 Three Oaks Iris b. 3/1/31 black, white marks/ Sire three Oaks Blossom's Prince 27448/ Dam: Fresno Blossom of Three Oaks 37727 10. 47144 Elaine's Peggy b. 8/12/34 lt grey, white legs to knees, white abdomen Sire: Shannon of Echo Herd 40783 white / Dam: Miller's Elaine 44305 white 11. 47263 La Suise Silver Ribbon b. 2/21/35 lt grey / Sire: Omerdale Bo-Flori 40619 white/ Dam:La Suise Fortunata 38890 white
When I have more time, I will finish the research on the remaining 20 volumes of the AMGRA and will share more colored Saanens with you if you wish. Gwen Johnson - Silver Sage Saanens & Sables - WA State/ Sec, Tres. ISBA
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