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Some interesting email chatter about sables and ADGA. Hi all, I have a new request for information... All of you who breed Sables, I have a lot of them in the database now and would like to add one more item for the benefit of the Sable breeders now and in the future. Please email me the animals name, reg. number and SKIN COLOR. Especially important on solid colored Sables (non patchwork animals). On blacks, is the skin pink or gray or?? etc. On Sundgau animals is the skin two tone or one color? That kind of info... This could be important to have in the data on Sables for future breedings as it's starting to look like coat and skin color are linked genes for some of the colors. If we have this info in the database, it may mean more accuracy in predicting future breedings. The database is growing daily... nothing has come to a grinding halt just because you don't hear from us for periods of time. The volunteers doing the mailing list of Saanen breeders has been a huge help and we could still use more volunteers to input data on the website set up for that purpose. Thanks, Donna Palmer Note: Please email or snail mail Donna any information that you might have along these lines, and if you can volunteer for something, no matter how small...please...do so! RE: ok the steel grey doe has gray skin all over....even under the white spots that she has. patty at indian camp in georgia RE: I just checked a yearling sable doe(Briarwind Ira Trinidad E1231993). She has a gray udder. I put light tan for coat color on her papers.....She has gray skin all over, even under areas that appear white or light cream for hair. Trinidad appraised 84(+V++)first weekend in Aug.( Lelia appraised) I haven't checked any others, but think Latte, who is pretty much same color as Trinidad might. She too, has a gray pigmented udder and gray pigmented nose. Jeanne Leger
Thanks, Heidi bornagainchildren1@netzero.net By All Means... Let's send her some encouraging emails!
Carol
It is apparent there is great confusion over this matter. There were mis-statements made, probably with no malice intended. I admit I have paid little attention to the Sable breed, its proponents, and their breed standard until rather recently. I stated that I thought the ball was in their (Sable Breeders) court.You suggest moving the process along.How do you suggest we proceed? It is no secret that I think there are other problems with their proposal, but let's tackle one thing at a time. Rex
............................................. RE: Can we at least be upfront? By the time it was suggested that we get somebody from the Sable club, I was hoping for Donna Palmer (who has a very easy style to understand), to come and mediate all the many many questions, the chair had long since abandoned the email conversation, warning us to cease! Before then it was Anita, trying her hardest to relay back and forth, with frequent emails from Anita in which she was concerned that she did not have the correct information. She was on the committee as a member not as a spokesperson for the Sable breed. We could never get off the subject of breeding true to pattern or breeding true to color ................... oh GOD, even seeing that in print is making that migraine come back! And perhaps I am all wet here but it isn't up to us in committee to not have reservations about anything, it is up to us to present what the Sable breeders want us to present to the board, and for them to make the desions, along with what registration comes up with also? Once again, our opinions on what they want to breed isn't the point. Now that we know we were pushing the Sable breeders in the wrong direction with yet another standard, with more than a month left before convention, is it not to late to do something? Vicki Vicki McGaugh Lonesome Doe Nubians North of Houston Texas |
Does the ISBA have a Specialty Show program anything like the other breeds? If so, who would I contact regarding that? The reason I ask is that the 2003 AGS National Show is going to be held in Delaware, OH. As part of the events, we're going to also be having a Youth Open Doe show and a two-ring Junior Doe, Senior Doe and Buck show. The youth show and the 2 ring show are both going to be dual sanctioned ADGA and AGS. The ADGA show will have Recorded Grades and the AGS show will have Sable classes so a person with Sables would have the opportunity to show twice in each ring. We'd like one of the two-ring show's to be designated as a Sable Specialty, if there is such a thing. The other ring is going to be a "Jackpot" show with cash awards based on the entry. Let me know who I might need to contact to get this designation. Thanks, Tom
Date: Tue Sep 10, 2002 9:49 pm Subject: Re: [DistIVNews] Committees, DNA and Sables Rex said.....***It is still not clear to me just which of the Breed Standards discussed is the preferred standard. I feel that the ball is in the court of the Sable Breeders.*** RE: Rex, could you please elaborate on your part of "the Breed Standards discussed is the preferred standard"? If you would, how many are there out there and where/who did they come from? _________ Yes two standards. The two which I believe are in play are the standard in the Sable proposal, and the standard printed in the guidebook (1981 Standard). There may be others, but none are under active consideration. These two standards are not identical by any means, and it was not understood that the "1981 Standard" had been approved by the board at the time the proposal was completed and distributed. In the interest of clarification, I believe that at the very least, the ISBA should issue an amendment to their proposal to accept the "1981 Standard" and incorporate it into their proposal. I personally don't believe this should set them back a year, but it is not my decision to make. As things stand, it appears that they want their new standard to be accepted and adopted as the "official standard". I think this would be unfortunate, because while I have problems with both standards, I think the "1981Standard" is the better of two poor alternatives. I would prefer that approval of this standard be repealed by the board, so we could start over again, but I can only suggest that as an individual member, and urge that action upon my directors. That is what I mean when I say the ball is in their court. Rex *Rex has since been given correct information on this. A good question though and at least it is communication openly from a Breed Standard member.
I feel the sable breeders were led astray by the constant statement (as if it were truth) that the 1981 breed standard proposal was not accepted by the Board but included in the C& BL only as a "guideline." Indeed it was REMOVED (temporarily) from the C&BL using just that argument. No matter that I (as the "tracker" of history") and Sally Callahan (as the Chair of the Breeds Standards Committee in 1981) kept saying the opposite. Those who "knew" just kept repeating the same old "black is white" untruth and people just kept believing it because they said so. The last straw for me was when the following statement was put out on the net by President Sankey, on May 15th of this year: "I also did a little history research on the Sable Breed Standard which is listed in the Appendix of the guidebook. This was meant as a guideline only for those wishing to work with a Sable breeding program. The Breed Standards Committee did not bring this Breed Standard to the Board for approval." When the President of ADGA put her official" stamp of approval on INCORRECT HISTORY, I went back to the 1981 BOD minutes and quoted the acceptance of the breed standard directly . . . hoping once and for all to convince folks that the breed standard HAD been accepted . . . and FINALLY someone listened! Who can blame the sable breeders (who were convinced by those "in authority" over and over and over that there was no accepted breed standard) for turning themselves inside out trying to find some way, AFTER OVER TWENTY YEARS, to come up with something that the Breed Standards Committee might, albeit reluctanctly, accept? It seems the breeders, rather than those who stated and repeated a falsehood, have been blamed for the ensuing confusion . . . certainly terribly unfair. Now that the REAL history is known, it seems it would behoove both the Breed Standards Committee and the BOD to try to undo some of the harm they have caused because of this incorrect information and find a way to move the breeders' cause along, simply and straightforwardly. Thanks for listening, Shari Reyna Dist 7
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I am a member of IBGA, another Boer Goat registry and I know they can register ON-LINE and you know what the real interesting part of the entire deal is? They don't have $800.000.00+ invested in their Computer system. Pat
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